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Kitase: Final Fantasy VII remake will take 5 years

Speaking in an interview with American magazine EGM, Final Fantasy director Yoshinori Kitase spoke out about a potential Final Fantasy VII remake, saying that if Square Enix were to seriously pursue such a project, it would require a staff of 300 and take 5 years. Nomura commented as well, stating that even if the team were to come together to produce a new version of the game, the various members are currently too caught up in their own projects to be able to reserve any time for it. EGM speculated that the possibility of a FF7 remake lies out of reach as long as the next PS3 game to be created is Final Fantasy XIII.1

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  1. That...... Really sucks to hear. I don't quite get how SE can make FFXIII with a different ammount of man hours... I mean, wouldn't it take the same power if they were generating a same quality game? Suppose it's atleast comforting to know that they thought about it for awhile. Also suppose that if I had FFXII I wouldn't give a damn. HURRY UP ALREADY.

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  2. Er, no, FFXIII will take a lot of man hours as well, it's just that it's also guaranteed to sell a fuckload more than a remake of a then-11 year old game. So as I've always been saying, the ROI is far, far higher and as such more of a guaranteed success.

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  3. ROI?

    I suppose it'd sell a lot more, but FF7 isn't eleven years old. I think it's going on nine this summer... Oh... Well, then again, maybe that ten years by the original Japanese release. God, that game is pretty old, isn't it? I know people that would much rather buy a redone FF7 because of their love of Cloud as opposed to a new FF game(since they hated 8-X2). Suppose that's why they're doing all of these compilation games as opposed to just making new games. They know the FF7 name will sell it regardless of gameplay.

    Then again, I'd settle for a prettied up version, kind of like FF Origins/Dawn of Souls. I realize it wouldn't be as easy, but still, would save it from being a 5 year 300 man job. How many people worked on FFX anyways?

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  4. Return on investment.

    Like I said, FFVII would be about 11 years old by the time the game that will take them 3 years to make will be released.

    Make sure you don't predict market activity based on your friends' or your own interests, or by anecdotal evidence. The fact of the matter is that FFVII, while popular, is not going to sell as much as FFXIII if it were to be remade. So putting as much money into it as into FFXIII is a waste of money, comparatively. And we all know the fans who do want a FFVII remake wouldn't settle for anything less than a full quality 100% Final Fantasy title.

    The amount of people working on FFX is significantly less than will be working on FFXIII because FFXIII is for next-gen consoles, which obviously require a heftier budget and more manpower to do the same amount of work. So there you go.

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  5. Bam.

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  6. "he amount of people working on FFX is significantly less than will be working on FFXIII because FFXIII is for next-gen consoles, which obviously require a heftier budget and more manpower to do the same amount of work."

    I know that... I wanted to see some actual numbers though. I know FF7 had like 100 people, and they make 300 sound like a huge number. Granted its 3x as much, but I'm curious to know how many FFX had to see how the bridge between the two (FF7 and FFXIII) is. Also, after reading the article in EGM, they make note the biggest problem isn't the manpower or fanbase, but the fact that the key people that would have to be involved are currently tied up. Sucks, maybe for 15th anniversary we'll see FF7 remade.

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  7. Umm, man power has to be an issue. If a big team is pulled together to make say FFXIII, then Square-Enix would find it hard to find the man power for a remake. They don't have limitless supplies of people you know, it's just common sense. What would make more money for them? The next FF title, or a remake? This is a permanent issue, as each new FF title will bring them truckloads of money. Think about it. After Rahul initially explained it I had to agree, it makes very little sense for a remake to be made. Regardless of man power, it would just be crap.

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  8. Man power is an issue, and the key people being tied up is something I noted in the main news article (which was taken from the EGM interview).

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  9. eh, the interview doesn't list man power as an issue, they just list what's needed and it's not priority enough to break from their plans already in motion (probably FFXII). Nomura - "But I have so many projects already in the pipeline that it would be difficult to squeeze it in...perhaps if the timing is just right, though. It's a very interesting prospect..."

    Dunno, I think it's more of a they had stuff setup before they got such an enormous response for their tech demo and realized fans would die for it. Say what you will, but I honestly don't think 300 people would be any worse off than any other FF title to date in terms of manpower.

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  10. Uh, actually Rahul, a remake of FF7 would by far and away outsell a new FF title. The outpouring of fan support since the release of the tech demo has been more tremendous than Square could have possibly anticipated. And given all of the FF7-related products slated for release, Square is well aware that FF7 is, and will always be, their best selling title. So, in conclusion, not only would a remake of the best game of all time be amazing, but it is without question in Square's financial interests as well. FF7 on the PS3 would likely be the best selling release of all time, especially given all the hype around FF7 as of late. Sorry, but no one in their right mind can agree that FFXIII would outsell the God-like status of FF7.

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  11. Well I can't agree with that. Why? Final Fantasy VII is my favourite game, ever. I would not approve of a remake after discussing this with Rahul and others in previous news posts. It would suck, they would add a bunch of new things that would ruin the game. If they didn't, it'd be the same game but with better graphics and sound. They DO NOT need to remake this game.

    Why is it then that the FFVII series of projects so far does not include a remake? Because rather than waste time and money for a product I think would be crap, they instead make a smart move and add new layers to the story. What happened after the game? What happened before?

    We already know what happened in the game, I own it and have played it a fair bit. The only way I think I can improve my FFVII experience is by learning Japanese to a level in which I can comfortably play the untranslated original.

    What makes you king of Square-Enix finance? How is it your right to say what will sell and what won't? Clearly Square-Enix will consider this, and irrelevant of what we think they will decide based on the $$$ figure.

    Frankly, I would far prefer a new title in the series than a remake. Think about Nomura, now he's Kingdom Hearts man as well, he can't be everywhere. People have also left Square-Enix, and although Uematsu and Nojima are still working for them on AC, that doesn't mean it's easy to do anyway. Like Uematsu isn't making full game soundtracks these days for S-E. He didn't even do AC by himself. You would be ruining the original game experience with new people, they can use their genius in newer titles.

    Oh, and just because the article doesn't say 'manpower is an issue' doesn't mean it's not one. I would rather S-E spent 5 years and 300 people on a new title, another fantastic title to add to my collection. Not some half-baked remake that only serves to make me a sad panda.

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  12. A Final Fantasy 7 remake does sound promising, but 5 years?! Well, updated 3D models, maps, special effects and higher-resolution cutscenes would be nice. Heh! Maybe in 5 more years, Nintendo and SquareEnix will work together well enough for the re-release of FF7 on the next Nintendo console! The one after the so-called "Revolution."

    By far, FF7 is surely one of the best RPG's ever made, next to Chrono Trigger and the Legend of Zelda.

    There's a cracked idea! Let's see a remake of the first Legend of Zelda game in 3D! It may ONLY take 10 years!

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  13. You kids are kidding yourself if you think a FF7 remake would make more money than a traditional sequel. Keep believing, though!

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  14. You're not 'in your right mind' Rahul. Better get that checked out.

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  15. Lol, the notion that yet another generic title trying to capitalize off of FF7's model of success would outsell it, is purely comical, Rahul. And Nephtis, if I take your word at the fact that you are indeed a true FF7 fan (which I'm seriously inclined to doubt), then you are in the minority if you are disappointed at the potential of a sequel. The vast majority of FF7 fans would kill to see a remake. So, if we're talking sheer numbers here, the fact remains that more people would want to see a remake than not. So, while your opinion is noted, I'll subsequently disregard it in light of the astronomically larger portion of fans that would kill for a remake.

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  16. Whatever happen to leaving the past as it is??? I mean, they've already cannabalized the game for three game sequels and a movie...a remake seems a little much.

    Remake the less classic games, please. It's like movies- They remake The Longest Yard, not Citizen Kane.

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  17. dude, Jenova, you have to learn to think outside the fucking box.
    Youre bascially saying that no Final Fantasy will ever surpass or outsell VII. What the fuck? Listen to yourself! Are you saying its the perfect game? Are you dumb?
    Problems with VII:
    WORSE FF MUSIC EVER
    bad replayability
    Cait Sith
    leveling up materia is a chore

    Final Fantasy VII has the abilty or potential to be better than VII, you dont know it, I dont know it, Jesus doesnt know it. XIII also can be better, why replay something you already know? Are you really that much of a graphics whore? You speak in absolutes, which gives me the notion that you dont really have ANY numbers at your disposal, you probably came to that conclusion because the people around you think that way.. its kinda like how everyone thought George Bush was going to win the elections because the media was against him.. but that does not really represent what most people want.
    My point is, if you remake Final Fantasy VII then POTENTIALLY all the people who enjoyed FINAL FANTASY VII will buy it. You make a NEW Final Fantasy, then POTENTIALLY all the people who enjoyed ANY Final Fantasy will buy it. That, is no fabrication, that is the common sense that you seem to be ignoring at the moment

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  18. I'm glad you think you know what you're talking about, Jenova. Fortunately, you're not in control of Square Enix (and neither is Sakaguchi), or it'd no longer exist.

    Feel free to continue thinking you have insight into other peoples' minds and your armchair executive position means anything, though. Good luck!

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  19. TRS I have to commend you for being able to use your keyboard's caps lock key so effectively. For those of you who have played FFXI, you'll have a clear understanding of the following...

    TRS: {Hello!} {English} {Can I have it?}

    It is my opinion that Rahul is absolutely right in his assumptions. A remake of Final Fantasy VII would be an inevitably poor decision on SE's part when they could make millions more on a new flagship release or a barrage of mediocre titles related to silly television shows and various compilations. Read the figures - Rahul is correct, Final Fantasy VII will not be re-released on this dimensional plane. The mirror world, however...

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  20. Yeah well you know, congrats on taking the extra 5 minutes to be a dick :P. Whats your point? That my English is bad? Sory, ill go cry now if you want

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  21. "Read the figures - Rahul is correct, Final Fantasy VII will not be re-released on this dimensional plane."

    EGM tends to disagree. As do I. There is a huge interest in a remake. Yes, it will be different. If you don't like it, just play the old title. It's not like they're deleting it to make the new one as Star Wars did with the Special Editions(which actually are better). Graphics whore...? Not really. If there was a love story between jars of peanut butter, jelly, and mustard, it'd be a lot emotional if there were humans playing the roles. I feel the same way about games. The more I can relate to the characters(as many racism issues have been noted, blacks identify more with black lead roles, women with realistic women roles), the more I'd enjoy it. Yes, more realistic characters would draw more of an emotional response from me. FF8 and FF9 proved that. FF8 I felt they were real people, FF9 they were just characters from some storybook.

    Also, you're wrong about one huge thing. You keep refering to it like only FF7 fans would play it. The biggest reason for this being released I think would be reaching a new audience. While you may be able to look through the graphics flaws(like the fact that they don't have hands, their arms are massively misproportioned, and their head makes up halve of their height), new gamers can't go back and play through it. I've met at least 5 people over the past year or so that never played FF7, and can't get into it when I tell them it's one of the greatest RPGs ever and to give it a chance. You know, if they did make it, you'd have to check it out. I think that's part of the reason why you don't want them to make a new one. You don't want to admit to being a graphics whore, or that you wet yourself when you saw the E3 Tech Demo for it. You know you craved it when you saw it, then realized you'd be far from a purist if you let there be any change to the old title. It's just a game you know, a way to make money for SE. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll accept the fact that before the PS4 is released, FF7 will be remade.

    If you still don't believe remakes with better visuals sell, look at FF1 sales for NES compared to FF:Dawn of Souls. People ate that shit up. The same would go for FF7 with MASSIVELY updated visuals, voice acting, and a retooled story. Some of the most obvious things in the world to me during the FF7 adventure were as plain as day to me, but you'd be amazed how shrouded in mystery some stuff is to people. Like the whole Calamity from the Sky, I have to explain to people who have played through it three or four times, and they still don't get it. Same for Cloud and why Sephy can control him. Maybe it was lost in translation, I don't know.

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  22. This is a useless conversation with points made and arguments won by me and useless bickering presented as argument by everyone else. Stop trying. It's not going to happen; deal with it. One day you'll learn to think beyond your own desire for something and at that point you will be qualified to make predictions about business decisions; not before.

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  23. And aside from the business reasons, let a classic remain a classic. Not everything has to be remade to be 'better'. An artist's original is always better than newer interpretations. Take Evangelion, numerous films and so on.

    Final Fantasy VII, it is my favourite game, irrelevant of what idiots think. I think I'd know what I like and don't like. Just because I don't want to see the game be remade doesn't mean I'm not a fan. It's BECAUSE I'm a fan that I don't want to see some crazy new version of the original.

    Let the game rest, let it remain how it was. The game may have had good and bad things, but that's how it was. Society seems to demand new versions of things. Haven't you people seen South Park? They did an episode with George Lucas remaking Star Wars, and it was funny.

    I don't know if there's really any point in discussing this here, since people don't seem to understand why things were good the way they were.

    I'm still glad Advent Children is a film, and Dirge of Cerberus is not an RPG because it won't ruin the original FFVII experience. If they made a sequel as an RPG, it would look and feel too different. Why hasn't Square-Enix made a sequel in the same form? Because it would suck.

    Even if Rahul becomes wrong about the business side and they do in fact release a remake, I don't care. It's not about that to me, it's about preserving the original. And as for new people coming to it, when Advent Children comes out, and then all of the other titles in the FFVII series, surely people will be smart enough to connect the games up.

    Go and write some fanfiction or something people, or write to Square-Enix. Sitting around here with stupid arguments assuming you know how the gaming market works with no real experience or qualifications is futile.

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  24. LOL! TRS, you must be the stupidest human being alive. Your comments, while amusing, were the most unintelligble crap I've ever seen. Let's see here...

    FF7 has the worst music ever? Are you fucking retarded? All FF's have outstanding musical scores.

    No replayability? HAHAHAHAHA. It's one of the only games a consistantly replay, as do many others. Wow, I can't believe I even entertained a moronic comment like that.

    Cait Sith. Ok, granted, an imbecilic character. But find me one FF game that doesn't have one, I dare you.

    And the materia leveling is a chore? Awww, poor baby. You know, you have a big mouth for someone who's such a little bitch. The materia system was the BEST system in any Final Fantasy, bar none.

    So yeah, in conclusion, in my opinion FF7 was a perfect game. Many others would disagree, and they are entitled to their opinions, but no one will disagree that it was a great game and was both hugely successful and influential.

    Oh, and btw, Rahul, if you ever exit that cloud of egotistical nonsense and look at things for their facts rather than being an angry fanboy who wants to sound rebellious with his opinions against the norm. Stop wasting my time with your worthless retorts.

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  25. Also, excellent commentary, Christopher. They seem to get frustrated when we actually use L-O-G-I-C to contest their ignorant comments.

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  26. It's funny how the whole remake talk over the past 9 years of Final Fantasy VII and they come out of nowhere with movie for us and are coming out with a game following Vincent. It was people like you who said "face it you'll never get what you want, give it up" and Square shocked us and you people with Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children which I think is cooler then a remake. I am not a person for or against the remake but if they do remake it I'll pick it up. But it's people like you who say it will never happen then bam there it is. More then likely they'll remake due to the huge fanbase it has and I bet if the movie is very successful it will happen in no time without us even knowing. So saying a remake isn't worth their time or money think about the FF1-3 games being remade they were successful I don't see why the FFVII won't be successful. Only time will tell, thats just my two cents. I'll wait five years for a remake shit people have been waiting nine years what's another five? ;)

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  27. I'm not really sure that Rahul being an asshole, or "egotistical" as you put it. I probably am, but that's because it's in my nature to correct people who are pitifully wrong. Rahul's just reflecting the opinions of (though I very much doubt he is one) a Japanese business tycoon. When it's all broken down this entire debocle isn't about fandom or popularity, it's about how Mr. Kitase can make more yen. More income will arrive from a new video game than a refurbished old one. Take the sales of Enix's recent endeavors: Dragon Quest VIII and the re-releasing of Dragon Quest V, a very popular and loved title. Shall we compare the sales???

    Dragon Quest V (Re-released): 1,611,974 units sold in 2004

    Dragon Quest VIII (New Release): 3,327,167 units sold in 2004

    Both titles were released around the same time and both - financially speaking - were goldmines for Square Enix. One can assume that similar results would follow from a re-release of our beloved FFVII when compared to the PS3 release of another juggernaut RPG of Square's in 2009-2010. Oh, and if for some reason you don't trust my numbers, here's the link...

    http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-BestSell2004.shtml

    edit: ... TRS, you're absolutely welcome.

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  28. Jenova - Actually I think the job system of FFV was better, not that I have really played it much. Final Fantasy VII did not allow much difference between the fighting styles of characters, since all could effectively possess any magic.

    FFVII was not a perfect game, there is no such thing. There are flaws in every game, you yourself pointed out that you don't like Cait Sith that much. The game is already not perfect with that one statement.

    Rahul as I said earlier points out the business reasons. I point out the reasons that make me think a remake is useless. If the game is so "perfect", why would you want to change it into something new? Let the classics lay to rest.

    Oh, and in regard to any game being 'ZOMG TEH BEST GAME EVER', that's all opinion. Don't go flouting your opinion on a game and saying it's final.

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  29. "Final Fantasy VII did not allow much difference between the fighting styles of characters, since all could effectively possess any magic."

    Actually, that fits into the game's story. Materia is just condensed life stream that contains knowledge shared from the lifestream. So the characters never learn or possess magic per se, they just hold an artifact that does. Eitherway, it turns out into a balancing beam since the stronger materia dwarfs your physical abilities.(the act of dwarfing, not multiples dwarves)

    "Let the game rest, let it remain how it was. "
    It will remain how it was... The original copy won't be destroyed, ya know. There will just be a new(drastically different) version of the game available for folks who are new to the series. Your old copy will still play fine, untouched by the original sculptor.

    And for the Dragon Quest line... Was an updated game(like FF:Dawn of Souls), or was it remade from the ground up as FF7 on PS3 would be? Because slightly improved graphics are a lot different from rebuilding the game, and it can't really be compared.

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  30. A) Dragon Quest should never be mentioned in the same sentence as a game like FF7. That comparison lends absolutely no credibility to your claim. It's impossible to draw a correlation between the sales of one title to another. That and FF7 was a much better game.
    B) Let it be known, I'm as much of a traditionalist as many of you are. If they were to remake FF7 and try to do anything at all in the ways of changing or "fixing" the plot, I'd be furious. Furthermore, while a graphical overhaul would certainly be nice, graphics are the very last thing on the list of criteria in judging a game's worth. Although that's not to say a little window dressing wouldn't hurt either. There are very few things I would approve of adjusting to FF7. Perhaps another weapon for fun, or making the end fight with Seph much more difficult. The point is, a remake would expose a new generation to this wonderful game. I can't tell you how many people I've spoken to who really want to play this game because they hear it is so good, but don't even own a first generation playstation. A remake would revitalize the franchise, expose the next generation of gamers to the game, and simultaneously please pre-existing fans across the world.
    C) And lastly, perhaps I should revise my previous statement as the semantics whores are on full alert. While nothing can actually be "perfect", as the mere notion of the word is ambiguous in and of itself, FF7 was the closest game to perfect I have ever encountered.

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  31. Dragon Quest V was completely remade from its original form - a full overhaul and upgrade in similar fashion to the way that you kids are pining for Final Fantasy VII to be reconfigured for PlayStation 3.

    Also...
    Final Fantasy (1990)... one game, no hype, sold decently

    Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls (2004)... 2 games (one never released stateside), Final Fantasy hype/fanboys implemented, sold roughly twice as well as the original single title

    Furthermore, let's do some editing...

    A) ??? Jenova, the original Final Fantasy was almost a carbon copy of Dragon Quest. And yes, I can use them in the same sentence because both are large-scale RPG's with sales in the millions being put out by the same corporation. In fact, in Japan, the sales of either Dragon Quest VII or VIII (take your pick) have outsold any Final Fantasy game to date - that includes your precious Final Fantasy VII, which over there didn't even sell as well as Final Fantasy VIII.

    B) In regards to your comments on the stupefying (and at this point still non-existant) remake we've all been bantering about "revitalizing the franchise, expos[ing] the next generation...etc," not only has it already been 8 years since the original game's release therefore making the juvenile gaming public of 2005 (who can happily play the game on their PS2s) the "next generation" anyway, but the Compilation of the game with its 4 or more related titles will accomplish this even further. Again it boils down to money: the company will make more from the Compilation than the sole remake. This isn't difficult to understand, I'm sure. Or is it?

    C) Let's dial up my friend Noah Webster for a moment...

    {picks up phone}
    ...Noah?....hey, it's me.....yeah......yeah it is your daughter's birthday next week but about the....yeah?.....yes....okay....you sure?....all right I'll tell them...you too....no YOU'RE the man...crazy kid, okay BYE!...

    per-fect adj. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type; without flaw

    I don't see how that's ambiguous. But I can't anger myself with your personal opinion of the game no matter how wrong the rest of us think it is; however, you might want to revise/recall your statement as not to sound so...under-informed. Recall that, in argumentation, Facts > Opinion any day of the week.

    Now to wait for the angry responses...

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  32. Hm.. I can't find the actual article in 1up. I don't mind a remake. It's my favorite game and I wouldn't mind seeing it and playing it on PS3. I think that would be interesting. However, just make it a side thing, not a part of the series.

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  33. Jenova:
    Why thanks to portray me as amusing, I try, I thank you for being the obvious FF VII fanboy that, obviously, cannot get over his own opinions and.. holy shit! As soon as someone insults your favorite game, then you get all defensive and start getting personal as well.
    Here, simple life lesson, just because you believe something, just because you can replay VII like a fucking maniac or just because you probaly jerk off to Sephiroth pictures does NOT mean youre right!
    Final Fantasy VII was a very big succes mainly because of its shock value. First game to use FMV's, first Final Fantasy in 3d, frst mayor RPG to hit a mass new generation of players, etc. If a lot of people play it today and dont like its not because of the lame graphics, thats ridiculous (why would anybody play a rpg on the gba then? graphics suck over there) Its because the game just isnt that good. The materia sistem WAS a chore, and I mastered every single fucking thing. The time taken to do it was too long and most rewards werent even that worth it. Hell, getting Knights of The Round is not that hard at all and thats pretty much all it takes to kill Sephiroth.. but of course since its the perfect game that doesnt make sense. Since every FF has a silly character, then its OK to make Cait Sith a lame ass bitch, yeah thats fine.. I mean the game still couldnt get better right? You probably dont care that VII was Uematsu's first non-medieval score, and thats why in his attempt to produce a more industrial sound he failed miserably.. naaah, you probably just take 2 themes that you like out of the game and ignore the rest. Do you like spending the first 7 hours of the game without any choice as to what the fuck you want to do?, shit, Midgar was linear as fuck and other places like the Temple of the Ancients for one, were just poorly designed. Fuck, you probably think the chocobo races kicked ass. Was VII your first Final Fantasy? Most people that have stuck with the franchise from way back will recall IV or VI as their favorites.
    Your problem is not thinking the game is awesome, because I agree the game is awesome. What I disagree on, and will always disagree on is that the game is not perfect. Go to SquareSoft and tell them VII was the perfect game and that they will never do better and I assure you they will either laugh at your face, or that Nomura will just punch you in the gut. Thinking that way is just plain dumb, you close yourself to many other experiences by being so close minded and its rather pitiful.

    So, sorry to waste your time. Im sure nerds like you have many other things to keep them busy, like dusting off your cock from lack of use but I got shit to do and Im done with this, say what you will.

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  34. Lol, bwyuko looked up perfect in the dictionary to counter my statement, rofl! What a loser you are. And TRS, I didn't really even read your lame post because you're a waste of life. FF7 is the best RPG of all time, you all know it...accept it, and move on with your pathetic nerdy lives...

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  35. OMG shut the fuck up you stupid ffvii fanboy, I am so sick of you bitchy fanboys everywhere, piss off nobody wants you here. Go finish ffvii for the hundredth time. Maybe all that jacking off to all that Sephiroth hentai has blinded you to the fact that FFVII is not even near the best rpg of all time.

    Rahul is right, there is no way a remake would make more money than a new addition to the series because out of all the people who have played FFVII only a quarter will buy it coz they are fucking fanboys. Another quarter will be purists and would not want to buy it and the other half really would not be stuffed wasting their time and money on game which they could have spent on another game that they didn't already know the gameplay and secrets and every single point in the story. OMFG Aeris dies!!! That's would be a huge shock in the remake (sarcasm).

    Hopefully they will do a remake though and fuck it up completely which would then lead to the multiple suicides of idiotical fanboys like yourself. Then the world would be a much better place.

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  36. "Hopefully they will do a remake though and fuck it up completely which would then lead to the multiple suicides of idiotical fanboys like yourself. Then the world would be a much better place."
    Fanboys like him wouldn't notice it was bad, they'd swear up and down it was the shizzle.

    Please don't group me with him. I know you haven't, but Jenova is an idiot. I just would love to see a remake of a game that got me deep into RPGs, I don't think of Cloud at night when I'm going to sleep... Well, aside from the past week or three while Advent is getting made coverage.

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  37. Everyone say goodbye to Jenova! It was a pleasure having you, but you're a retard with the business insight of a dead oyster and argumentative skills equaling those of seals. Good luck in your future endeavours at GameFAQs or other such cesspools of vapidity!

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  38. i think the announcement is more of a reflection on the ps3 then ff7. may be the ps3 isn't as powerful as all the hype and trash talk said it was and the ff7 tech demo although impressive was very hard and intensive to make, to create a game of this calibur on the ps3 would besically be impossible unless u got 300 people and 5 years of production, but even movies like starwars would struggle with numbers like that.

    So the ff7 remake 9if it was to ahve gone ahead) would have dissapointed many because if the consumers were expecting the remake to have even half the quality of the tech demo, it would have just been too much work and probably alot of slow down. Which means the ff7 remake if it was to have happened would have taken 2-3 years and look only 1/3 as good as the tech demo - dissapointing many and probably tarneshing the square reputation.

    To have enough difference to create a worthy remake we would probably have to wait till the end of the ps3's life when square-Enix have got to grips with ps3 or wait till the ps4, unless people are just contempt playing an ff7 with nothing more then graphics like guild wars on the pc, i think square would think the final fantasy brand deserves more then that.

    those of you who want a remake think carefully whether you just want ff7 with updated graphics or something that takes the ff7 game to a whole new level, if you want the second choice i think it would be wise and wait till the technology is properly there and usable to create a great ff7 that is a proper remake and not just ff7 with better graphics.i mean, did you play ff7 back then just because it had great grahics?

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  39. Actually a lot of people got into FF7 because it was the best looking RPG at the time(on consoles). Granted, old FF fans played, but a lot of new people came on board because it looked amazing. I played FF2 and FF3 on SNES, but I wasn't really hooked until FF7. Honestly, if it weren't for the commercials with the amazing looking FMVs at the time I wouldn't of really been so hellbent on getting it.(which even to this day bring warm fuzzy feelings to me when I think of those commercials).

    I know what you mean, but I honestly think Square Enix wouldn't release an inferior product when they KNOW they're capable of better. The reason it'd take so many people is because all games are growing in production size. With more detailed models, you need more people to do them since people will spend more time on individual models and textures... The world is more detailed, you'd need more complex programming to render all those poly's at once without dropping framerates, etc. It's just all and all harder to do.

    Well, this is my last post here. Just really hope that they do release an all out FF7 remake. I do think it won't be til the end of the PS3's life though (like all the FF remakes showing up at the end of PS1's life). We all know after their Enix merger though, they've been doing just about anything that brings in money.

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  40. Well you know what? At 3am this morning I watched Advent Children. And guess what? I liked it. A lot. So you know what? Rather than read through all of that filth, I have to say that Square-Enix, by making this FILM instead of an RPG remake or sequel is a smart smart company.

    I feel that any further discussion prior to the rest of you watching the film is futile. Watch it, and realise that somewhere in it's shear visual pleasure that a remake is about as essential as a kick up the butt. Watch the film, allow it to reabsorb you into the world for FFVII. Allow it to rekindle your love, without destroying the game with a useless stupid remake.

    I will no longer comment on this because I have the upper hand that a lot may not; I've seen this film. Watch it first before going on about a remake, because there's just no point now.

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  41. "by making this FILM instead of an RPG remake or sequel is a smart smart company."

    That's real fucking cute. Support the company by pirating their film. You don't have an upperhand, you're just a jackass who will probably get slammed like everyone that download Episode 3 when it got leaked online. Just because you watched a movie doesn't nullify the fact that the FF7's graphics are dated, and the above ALL other reason, the script was RAPED when it was translated and brought to America. I'd kill, for if just that one thing, a cleaner translation that wasn't butchered by the hackneys that did FF7.

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  42. I think you'll find that I in fact do this with almost every anime I also end up purchasing and spending my hard earned cash on. The release date is coming soon, and as soon as AC makes it here in Australia I'll scan my copy and send it to you.

    Actually, FFVII was one of the titles that many praised Sony for NOT censoring things. While more vulgar swear words are censored, the script itself wasn't change in that sense.

    I'll have you know I own every major Final Fantasy title that has been released in this country, and I own more anime on DVD than most people would care to imagine. Just because I downloaded it prior to the date it came out does not mean I will not buy it. I've done it with anime for years, it's interesting to see how the official translation changes from my own interpretation of the Japanese original, and also whether like Naruto, the western release has totally ruined the original.

    Before you go making such wild and ridiculous accusations, how about you think first. I own 5 full FF OSTs as well as several of the extra albums. Don't even think about labelling me as some loser who playes pirated games.

    Like I said, give me your email address or something and I'll send you however many scans you want of my copy when I can finally buy it. I was so very close to importing Advent Pieces, but I then wouldn't be able to fully understand it. My Japanese isn't that advanced yet. That said, I was suprised in what I could understand from the movie.

    Oh, and yes in fact it does nullify all of your inane arguments. Have you played the original Japanese version of FFVII with your amazing knowledge of Japanese? Or do you only believe what you read? The graphics are dated because of it's age, that's the most pathetic argument I've ever heard to remake something. Oh, it looks dated! We better do it again! I always wanted AT-STs in the background of that shot!

    Not everyone is George Lucas you know.

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  43. "I always wanted AT-STs in the background of that shot!"

    You mock it with South Park because that's new to you down there, but they ignored the fact that it is HIS movie. I know artists have touched up actual paintings over the course of years before they declared it finished. The same with Star Wars. If you know the history behind it, you know he was stacked with limitation after limitation that kept him from getting the vision he saw. Why shouldn't he be able to go back and perfect it from his standpoint now that he has the technology to do so? Especially without harsh criticism from "fans"? Because you watched one version of it and you refuse to accept the fact that YOUR experience does not outweigh the creators? I saw the original Star Wars, but I was damn happy with the remade editions because it created a much more full atmosphere. It transcended movie and became a reality of it's own, like Lord of the Rings did.

    I don't really care how many FF OSTs you have(as I own them too, imported from Japan, not Korea). Call it what you will, you ARE a pirate. They don't care if you have "intentions" of buying it.

    As for the FF7 having a raped translation, you obviously have no idea. It's a widely known fact that translation had so many bugs and errors in it. Granted, it was the least tamed, AT THE TIME, but it was still raped. First example that comes to mind is the Cloud in a Dress scenario. When you buy those "vending machine goods" from his competitor, those are supposed to be feminine products for his girlfriend that he's too embarassed to buy... Which is why he asks Aerith to stand off to the side. Hell, one of the main character's NAMES are changed. It doesn't get much worse than that. There are script errors too like when you get the club card to get into Honeybee Manor, there's one part where you say something to Aerith, she says something, then it goes back to you talking and it just repeats what she says. Granted there are no "They set up us the bomb?!?" in it(that I can think of at the moment), but there are TONS of errors or lost in translations. Read up on it, if you don't fear tarnishing this perfected aura that exists around your FF7.

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  44. Well thank you, Officer Christopher. It's a weight off my mind that you are against software piracy. Now I feel protected on the internet. Way to take a stand!

    By the way, Jenova, you should seriously consider stand-up...I mean, I doubt you're a very funny person or anything (In fact you strike me as annoying), but your "arguements" (which basically boil down to "FF7 OWNZ j00 MOOMMMM!!!") had me holding my sides...

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  45. This amuses me so much! Korea! Wow! Actually I was actually in Japan when I bought my OSTs, I bought them fresh off the shelf. Yep, would you like me to go over some? No wait, that would be dumb. Since I do maintain the album database here, I have more than proven that.

    I'd like to see you translated FFVII from Japanese Christopher. Do you have any idea how hard translating is? I can tell you, it sucks. It's so difficult for so many reasons. Whinging about such trivial matters really pisses me off as a student of a foreign language. These people work their butts off to produce these scripts. Yes, in more recent years translations are better. Why? Well it's mostly money, back in the day Square-Enix wasn't the massive entity it is now.

    I also think you need to understand what a fansub is SUPPOSED to be, as opposed to what you think it is. The vast majority of the anime on my shelf at the moment would not have been purchased if I had not downloaded it initially. The other main reason fansubs exist is to cut people some slack. Why should we all have to wait so long for our release? Yeah ok, Advent Children doesn't have the lengthy dates that most anime does, but the point remains.

    Final Fantasy VII is not perfect, I stated earlier that the battle system rendered characters with no individual battle traits. Or at least took a lot from them.

    So you take your expensive imported OSTs, I'll keep my substantially cheaper locally purchased editions.

    I think it's time you stopped whinging and complaining about the faults of past games and focus on the next round coming. Square-Enix will pump their financial resources into new products. And like every Final Fantasy before, they will learn from past mistakes, build on past efforts and get closer to the world of fantasy they are trying to obtain.

    Before you run around bagging the hard work of translators, whether they be fans or professionals, think about it. Go out and learn Japanese yourself and translate FFVII better. It's substantially harder than you seem to realise.

    I don't think I'll bother posting in here again, as Wiegraf said, "now I feel protected on the internet." And before you drown me in crap again do realise I've been watching anime for years, and I've been studying Japanese for longer.

    Edit: I'm sorry, but that South Park episode is not "new". The fact that it's "so last x time period" doesn't detract from it's hillarious nature.

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  46. Will you bimbo's grow the fuck up? Stop arguing about insipid irrelevancy like whether or not downloading Advent Children is a crime. Fucking up this comment thread with your bitch-ass moaning is more of a crime than pseudo-pirating a movie.

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  47. ...Or, keep whining about it (and get burned worse).

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  48. Yarrgh, it be a good movie... {snarl} ...yarrgh...

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  49. So I watch Final Fantasy VII Advent Children today and all I got to say is IT'S ONLY THE BEST FUCKING MOVIE IN THE WORLD!!! HOLY SHIT!!! That movie has some kick fucking ass awesome action and fight sences. Superb graphical detail, the music is astonishing! My mouth is on the fucking ground right now in aw! You cannot put this movie into words! Goddamn thank you Square!

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  50. You truly are an idiot, Nephtis. You're asking me to accept ERRORS(not translation issues) that were changed for the appeal of an American audience. The shit I mentioned isn't a fuck up of translation, it's something that was delibrately changed for the English release... That or a complete programming error. The english version was a mess, I don't understand why you can't admit that.

    Eitherway, I never said translating was easy, but they have a TEAM of PROFESSIONALS working together with the ORIGINAL CREATORS. I think that warrants a bit more expectation then some fucking net nerd translating anime.

    Also, Advent Children is NOT ANIME. You keep refering to it as if it is. It's a CGI FILM of Japanese origin. So what, now everything that is Japanese is anime? Was Spirits Within anime? If so, I sure as hell must of missed THAT bulletien.

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  51. actually, a shitload of americans worked on The Spirits Within. AC is japan based, so yeah, its anime just like Spirited Away or the next Pokemon movie are anime as well. I mean, its like manga being comics, its the same thing.

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  52. Hironobu Sakaguchi Director
    Sakakibara Motonori Co-Director
    Jun Aida Producer
    Remington Scott Producer
    Andy Jones Animation Director
    Hironobu Sakaguchi Producer

    Nobuo Uematsu Composer

    Yeah, looks like a shitload of americans to me... Seems every important role was filled by a Japanese man.

    You saying manga is like comics is like saying Mickey Mouse is anime now. They're all forms of animation, but they're not the same thing. Is the line that blurry to you?

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  53. Please give me the list of animators, modelers, texture artists and storyboard artists, not the other 5 fucking percent.

    no, its just the name of what it IS. If an animated movie is made in Japan, then it is Anime. If a comic book is made in japan, then it is Manga. These are actual definitions, nothing to do with styles, or quality for that matter. Mickey Mouse was done in America, so it will always be a cartoon, or comic book

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  54. Dude...

    Hironobu Sakaguchi Director
    Sakakibara Motonori Co-Director

    I'm not sure if you know what the hell a director is, but he is ultimately responsible for everthing in the movie. He decides whats good, worth keeping, pretty, sounds good. Everything has to go by him. Working with a half American team or not, everything gets the A-Okay by him for the go ahead.

    CGI is generated, not animated... One could say that voids the possibility of it being anime. Even going by the dictionary definition...

    "A style of animation developed in Japan, characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex."
    -It's a style of animation, not just anything made in Japan that has a pencil involved. Even if that's the case, again, Advent Children is a CGI flick. Do you consider Toy Story a cartoon? I sure as hell don't. It's a new medium, why would you classify it as something it's not? Oh, because you're slow in the head and can't realize something is changing, new mediums mean new titles since it's an entirely different setup. shrugs live with your retardation if you will I guess.

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  55. Please give me the list of animators, modelers, texture artists and storyboard artists, not the other 5 fucking percent.

    no, its just the name of what it IS. If an animated movie is made in Japan, then it is Anime. If a comic book is made in japan, then it is Manga. These are actual definitions, nothing to do with styles, or quality for that matter. Mickey Mouse was done in America, so it will always be a cartoon, or comic book

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  56. What's up with this evangelistic zeal in exposing FFVII to newer players? Jenova breathlessly levies grandiose claims like "Sorry, but no one in their right mind can agree that FFXIII would outsell the God-like status of FF7." (How do you outsell a "God-like status," anyway? Whee, semantics whore.) Going by the Magic Box's numbers, FFVIII sold more than FFVII in Japan (noted earlier), and although today a new FF probably won't reach the sales figures of FFVII or VII, what makes anyone honestly think that a FFVII remake would do better than a new game aside from anecdotal claims? And while Jenova dismisses Dragon Quest out of hand (try a little harder to disguise these fanboy proclivities, k thx), it should be pointed out (noted earlier) that DQ is a more bankable name than FF, regardless of the manifestly God-like status of FFVII. In light of Kitase's estimate of development time and manpower, it's not unreasonable to conclude that for Squenix a new game, especially a DQ, is a better bet for makin' ends than banking on the buzz about all these FFVII side projects translating into feverish clamoring for a dated game whose development will demand unwarranted resources. Sorry for rehashing and repackaging points made earlier. I'm kind of rambling here and I didn't feel like reading all these comments at once. (Dude, did you guys ban Jenova? Argh, this whole post was lame.)

    Also, FFVII AC isn't strictly anime in the conventional sense (or as anime is commonly considered to be), but the original game did have anime stylings and AC inherited some of that. That ok?

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  57. Okay. Bottom Line Time.

    Final Fantasy VII should not be remade as a graphically and sound(ly?) enhanced carbon copy of its original copy. It would be a colossal waste of manpower and money for a product that (as Rahul and Nephtis have said) would not sell as well as an FFXII (or XIII) and as I said (durr I luvs attention!) does not require a remake. Any game store you go into has a $10-20 copy of FFVII sitting there. If it truly is the "God-Like" game that some of you claim, then why can't the new players experience it the way we did?

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  58. sonically*.... and Wiegraf you're correct, thank you for reiterating us. Strange tangent this thread has taken; I wonder if the admins have anything more to add about this...or why the Google ads aren't being affected by our outrageousness...yarrgh...

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  59. I would like to add that Christopher7xii is the most retarded person in this thread bar Jenova. However, because Jenova ruined his attempts at jovial hilarity on his first try (these comments) and Christopher7xii has a somewhat less retarded history in other threads, I'll say that his idiocy is hopefully only confined to these comments and on that basis will not kick his vapid behind.

    Meanwhile, this news article goes down in history for being the only comment-inspiring piece of writing to inspire Paul to waste his time logging in to overcomplicatedly reiterate points I already made in at least a year. Y halo thar Paul!

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  60. I think I also need to clear something up here. The Japanese use of the JAPANESE word 'anime' which refers to animation. The Japanese often refer to Disney as anime, because Disney is animation. Go figure. So therefore in my eyes Advent Children is anime, but not for a mainstream westerner's point of view.

    Not that my point was that at all. Anyway, I've made my points. Translation is horribly difficult for anyone, professional or not. Ignorance in this matter helps no one.

    "Sakakibara Motonori Co-Director"
    Huh, could have sworn it was Nozue.

    Anyway, if there is a remake, that's great. It's not up to us what Squenix does, they will at the end of the day, make decisions based on money. Regardless of what stupid people say I shall still buy what I believe is worth buying and continue to indulge myself in Japanese.

    Hopefully one day Christopher7xii, you will learn a little more about the world of Japan and not make such ignorant and arrogant comments that make me laugh at you. Just so you know, no matter how good a translation is, it's ALWAYS worse than the original, especially in languages like Japanese that are so different in certain ways from our own.

    Let this article rest in peace, if a remake comes out, users like Christopher7xii can rejoice with a better script and 'better game'. And we can only hope that people with less understanding of Japanese than I have stop trying to ram incorrect assumptions down my throat.

    I'm out.

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  61. "So therefore in my eyes Advent Children is anime"

    No... It really isn't. I don't see how you have such a hard time admitting CGI is a new medium. Acrylic and oil paints are both paint, but entireley different mediums. That's about the comparison of US cartoons to anime. Comparing anime to CGI is like painting to sculpting. Both are art, but it's drastically different. It's a new medium, something that you never even take a pencil to in order to create it. Chalking it off as anime because you have a lack of a better term puts you off in a corner of your own denile filled world. It's just easier for you to consider it anime then realize it's an entirely different branch off for some reason.

    As for the Nozue comment, check anywhere on the internet. IMDB

    Directed by
    Hironobu Sakaguchi
    Moto Sakakibara (co-director)

    The back of the DVD case which I'm holding right now reads
    "Co-Director - Moto Sakakibara"
    So where did you get your notes? You DO realize I was refering to Spirits Within, as it was originally brought about the comment before hand, where there was argument to FF:TSW not being anime because it was created by Americans. Is it really that hard for you to follow a conversation?

    Ya know, gotta appreciate the double standard. Stupid fucking fanboys freak if you call YuYu Hakushu a cartoon, refuting with "it's not a cartoon... it's anime", yet in Japan they call our stuff anime. Regardless of whatever the hell they call it, considering Advent Children a cartoon OR anime, you're really wrong. I can guarantee you when it's released in America, it won't be sitting in the anime section of DVD racks at stores. It'll get dropped into action or sci-fi... Because it's not a fucking anime.

    God you're dense, Nephtis.

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  62. CG isn't necessarily 3D: Spirited Away and My Neighbors the Yamadas were both computer-generated. Steamboy incorporates 3D CG and Appleseed (2004) is strictly 3D CG. Yet all of these maintain a certain cel-animated (or manga, if you will) aesthetic often attributed to anime. So, I think it's a little too simple to call anime the eastern analogue of "cartoon" since the term "anime" has taken on connotations of a distinctive style unique to Japan, while "cartoon" is more of a catchall term. "Anime" as strictly denoting the geographical origin of an animated feature seems a bit too narrow; animators can create anime in Belgium for all I care and the animators don't have to be Japanese. And "anime" as Japanese shorthand does have an etymological basis, but actually using it as such is kind of quaint.

    In the end, splitting hairs is lame. Advent Children is a 3D-animated and CG-animated feature. But is AC anime? If you think of anime as a style and an adjective, why not? Sure, FFVII lacks the cel-animation aesthetic I referred to earlier, but going by another narrow definition forwarded earlier--"characterized by stylized colorful art, futuristic settings, violence, and sex"--let's see. Stylized? Check. Futuristic settings? Check. Violence? Check. Sex? Check.

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  63. I think I have to comment again, as much as I don't want to. CGI WHILE being a new medium is STILL animation. I study cinema you know, and I watch anime interviews. Rintaro talks about CGI as a new medium in which he can see being used more and more in the industry of ANIMATION. I study this shit in university, do you? If so, I hope you realise you're doing horribly badly. Oh, and CG has been used in animation for a long time. I think The Rescuers Down Under was one of the earlier Disney animations that Pixar worked on certain scenes. Akira was made in 1988 and it's use of new technology is still respected today. CG is not new, the use of it to make an entire film isn't essentially new either.

    Hand-drawn animation and computer animation are both forms of animation, go figure. While obviously different they are still part of the same style.

    Oh and that stupid definition of anime is horrible. Violence, sex, and so on are just SOME of the aspects of SOME anime. If you watch and look at anime as much as I do, you'll find it's quite extensive. Read outside of the common western readings and popular shows and you'll find anime is almost as expansive as the film world in terms of types of shows.

    "It's not a cartoon" is used because anime is different to a westener's interpretation of what a 'cartoon' is. Like look at The Simpsons, and various other comedy cartoons. Aside from these and children's TV shows, cartoons in the western world are not really all that spread in terms of genre. Sure there are of course exceptions, but anime lends itself to crap loads of genres, a western cartoon does not.

    I'm not a 'fanboy' I'm an academic. I study and write on anime as well as other forms of cinema and Japanese issues. It's called a 'degree' where you do research and learn things.

    Oh, and for TSW, that was my bad. Going off you like you on that note was a tad excessive, but then again you are arrogant.

    Oh, anime is not required to be made in Japan. It usually is, but given my definition of anime being ANIMATION it can in fact be made anywhere. If we are referring to anime as in JAPANESE anime, then yes, it should really be made in Japan. However, some exceptions have occured, by keeping within the style one can make anime outside, even if it's unlikely.

    Who's more dense? The guy who studies and researches cinema, and anime in particular, or the arrogant ignorant guy arguing against him with no real points?

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  64. Both of you are denser than everyone here for turning this previously interesting (though vapid) discussion of the prospects of a FFVII remake into bickering over the definition of someting I don't give a shit about in the first place.

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  65. Rahul, I really don't care what you have to say.

    Nephtis,
    "realise" - Realize how to spell correctly at that university you're going to. I learned that word in the third grade.

    Degree or not, you're talking an entirely different CG than me. I'm talking about solely CGI films, like Chicken Little, Toy Story, Final Fantasy:TSW, Incredibles, Shark's Tale, etc. It's not anime. Yes, it's a form animation in a very loose sense(where animating means moving images), but it isn't animation in the traditional sense. By your definition, if Wallace and Gromit was made in Japan it'd be anime. That's just absurd to think about. You don't need to go to college to have a basic grasp of publicly accepted terms. Go take a poll with random people on the street and ask them if Shrek, Incredibles, or Toy Story are cartoons? You'll get a vast majority saying its computer made film. No one regards CGI as cartoons aside from yourself.

    As for my definition of anime, www.dictionary.com - I just copied and pasted. I disagree with the sex and violence(although anime is known for carrying an adult tone to it, which generally means sex, violence, or deep thinking). A vast majority of anime is known for it's big tittied heroines(NGE, Cowboy Bebop, Izcer One, Bubblegum Crisis), gawking male protagonists in perverted situations(Chobits, Tenchi Muyo), fighting(Dragon Ball Z, YuYu Hakushu), or excessive and graphic violence(Akira, Ninja Scroll, Hellsing, Trinity Blood). Of course there are ones that contain none of that(studio Ghibli comes to mind), but that's a very very slim minority, and you know that. Yes, I watch a lot of anime, more than you'd probably think. I enjoy the stuff like Serial Experiments Lain, Haibane Renmei, Last Exile, Bebop, Champloo, Wolf's Rain, .hack//SIGH, Texchnolyze to name a few... But I'm not ignorant enough to consider Advent Children an anime. By your definition, all video games are anime too then because they have animators in it that bring images into movement from still life, and it's made in Japan.

    Need further proof? Take Ys, a shining example to support me. The PC version had "anime cutscenes", when they released the PS2 version they released with "all new CG rendered cutscenes!". Not "with newer anime cutscenes!". Then when the PSP comes out, they're releasing it with the anime cutscenes again. Anime vs CGI. It's not the same thing. It's apparent to the fucking companies that make it... considering S-E never labeled AC as anime, yet they make note of the "Last Order" anime bonus included with the special edition... Makes you wonder?

    Ever consider the possibility that your university is half-assed? It just seems like if they're the ones filling your head with this non-sense, I'd question the quality of the professors they hire.

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  66. Ok, but I'm just going to ban you if you keep acting like a wanker. So it's not even up to me!

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  67. Chris: Welcome to the southern hemisphere. We spell it 'realise'. It's a cultural quirk: Indulge us.

    Anime is difficult to classify. It's vague; does the term refer to stylistic aspects, or is the intent more important? If it's meant to be considered in the same field as anime, does it matter if it doesn't meet your strict definitions?

    Surely someone as intelligent as yourself has considered that art is relative. That the consumption and interpretation alters its meaning between individuals. If so, then AC can be anime if Nephtis wants it to. If anyone wants it to be anything, it can be. Art isn't prescriptive, and it's certainly not definite. It's alterable, and it varies between people. So consider it a new medium if you like, but don't knock other people because they don't agree.

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  68. If anime is characterized by deep thinking the same way that Randian thought is characterized by intellectual sophistication, then sure...

    Nothing said really precludes the idea of "3D/CG anime" unless you cling to the idea that anime must possess a significantly 2D aesthetic. There's no reason to believe that the typical characteristics and stylings of anime can't carry over to 3D.

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  69. Google ads are still trying to sell me gil for FFXI. Yarrgh, I'm confused...

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  70. Whats confusing...buy some damn gil.

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  71. You're right.....MORE GIL, MORE!!! YUKO SMASH!!!

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  72. Even if you don't buy gil, clicking the link would be like giving US gil. And we all like gil.

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  73. Yeah, who doesn't like Gil? When I see people (usually in some manual labor job, i.e. janitor) with the nametag, "Gil", I always say, "You know what, Gil? You're all right." And then when I walk out I spill a bunch of food all over the side of the trash can when I know he's looking and he gets all sad...AHAHAHA. Fuck Gil.

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  74. This will go down again in the history books for ensuring (wait, ANOTHER variation of English!) the ads down there will forever be reminding us of Gil. Delicious sweet Gil.

    Of course there are ones that contain none of that(studio Ghibli comes to mind), but that's a very very slim minority, and you know that.

    Sorry, but statements like this are why I don't believe you watch much anime. You watch 'lots' - all the stuff that's common to a western audience. There's plenty of anime that has little violence and sexual themes. Not just children's anime either. Tsubasa Chronicle is airing at the moment, while 'violent' it's more a PG violent than anything else. The same blanket thing could be said about films, that most are violent or sexual in some way. And I think you totally ignored my definition of anime, which is animation. Animation being different to video games in the sense that it's film or a television show. I think that's obvious, and your 'video games' argument looks quite odd.

    Oh yeah, by the way, GIL!

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  75. jeeze, theyres been talk and speculation of a remake for years, They know everyone wants it done, they should get there ass into gear and please the fans, they make enough money anyways and u know FF7 will sell well, The old fans will buy it and people who have never experienced it before can, I know loads of people who would love to play it but cant be arsed cos its a crappy PS1 game.

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  76. Out of curiousity, what uber elite anime are you getting that for some reason I don't have access to or don't watch? To be honest, you don't know that much about my interests. Please enlighten me as to what anime you watch that I'd have no clue about, Nephtis? Because honestly, it sounds like you're just spouting out bullshit for the sake of feeling superior.

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  77. "I know loads of people who would love to play it but cant be arsed cos its a crappy PS1 game"

    If its a crappy PS1 game, than why would people buy a remake of it? Also, I seriously would like to look at your contention that "Everyone wants it done"...could you not tell from me being adamantly against it that such a blanket statement isn't true? (And I am without a doubt not the only one). Let's try reading the other comments over and writing sensical arguements, kay Boko?

    Of course, I will give you your just due for being the most talented illiterate poster on Square Haven. Congratulations.

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  78. I believe he meant crappy PS1 game as in graphics... As I know a few people like that. It looks bad, so they assume the gameplay is bad. If someone introduced Final Fantasy I to me(the NES version) and said it was an awesome game, with no previous experience with the FF series, I'd be deterred from playing it.

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  79. As I have stated a hundred fucking times before, the gameplay of FFVII is fucking horrible. It looks bad. The dialogue is bad. The music is fucking crap. It PLAYS LIKE SHIT. FFVII is not a title anyone in their right mind would need remaking, as it's fucking out of date in every conceivable way except your puerile fanboy nostalgia.

    If you want to play FFVII so badly again, drop a plant pot on your head and forget you ever did in the first place. I guarantee the experience will be just as "rich".

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  80. Actually, that could be an argument for a remake in order to rectify FFVII's many deficiencies. titters

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  81. Omg....so..........so much Gil......

    I can't take.....any......more.....

    {vomits FFXI Gil everywhere}

    ...ugh...

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  82. Ah Christopher, I never feel superior. It's a pet hate of mine when people generalise about anime. It comes from my pet hate of people making comments about Japanese that are ignorant. It's like anything that you learn. It might anger some people when people make horribly obvious mistakes about a Final Fantasy game, or about any other given topic they are interested in.

    There's PLENTY of anime that's not overly violent and sexual in nature. His and Her Circumstances is not violent, and is barely sexual. It's a romantic comedy aimed at the female audience which involves the daily lives of a girl and a guy getting together as a couple in high school and learning about life together. I don't care if people think it 'sounds corny' or whatever, it's a great example of a popular, even (shock horror) released in western society.

    Haibane Renmei. It's rated PG here for 'mature themes'. There's no sexual or violent themes, and I love it, I bought the box this year. Serial Experiments: Lain, while this is violent in parts it's not primarily a violent show.

    Actually, all of these examples are available on DVD here in Australia, so I assume they are quite available to you. They however, are not the most popular over here. They aren't 'uber' and I'm not saying I'm amazingly better for having seen them.

    The whole point of this is to open your eyes more to the world of anime. It's more varied than you realise. The definition of 'violence and sex' can very easily be applied to the mainstream film world. How many films do you watch these days that aren't aimed at children that are missing both of these themes? Sex and violence are common in these forms of media, to suggest it is a sign of anime in particular is generalising and I don't like it. How about you watch some of the titles I have mentioned and find out there's more to anime than the themes you argue.

    Edit: Oh, and just so you know, Neowing, a Japanese company that sells products to the local and international market classes both Advent Children, and (shock horror) The Simpsons as anime. Why? Because anime means animation, it's a Japanese word after all. Translate this with the help of an online translating dictionary. The light blue symbols under the title read 'anime'

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  83. Ight... first off Rahul is a fucking retard. The dialogue is crap and the music is shit to, but it was one of the best games of its time. To remake it with better graphics and music..... im sure hundreds of die hard fans would flock to buy it. Oh and if it was suck a shitty game why do they want to remake it?

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  84. Thank you Cloud for your dumbass, already-posted opinion. By the way, you basically proved Rahul's point by saying HUNDREDS of diehard fans would buy it, not the MILLIONS they would require to even consider such an endeavor (which is what he was saying). Thanks though. You can crawl back under your rock now.

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  85. Rahul must be laughing his ass off.

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  86. It's a good thing fucking retards like myself run this site, or none of you'd ever have a place like this to call me a fucking retard on in the first place!

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  87. Nephtis, I've seen and own all of those you mentioned. I agree about film, but I also don't watch a lot of movies. Mostly just sci-fi and fantasy. Shocker, I know. Eitherway, I've also seen tons upon tons of violent or sexual anime. Chobits, Please Teacher, Tenchi Muyo come to mind. While there's no sex, or even sex in a sexy manor... Usually goofy nosebleed stuff.

    Bringing up classification on a site is meaningless anyways. It varies. I go to any local stores by me which have huge media selections for DVDs, has a seperate animated section, then they have an anime section. Reason being - anime fans like anime, animation fans like shit like Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Harvey Birdman, Family Guy, Futurama, Simpsons, etc. Adult Swim on CN has their anime and goof blocks in seperate sections for that reason. If the two were the same thing, they'd mix them up. In most people's minds there's a difference(despite the technical definition - as gay means happy, but nobody insists that when they say "you're so gay!"). I'm not arguing in saying that Advent Children isn't animation, I'm just saying it's definitely not something TRADITIONALLY considered anime. I honestly think it just doesn't have a genre of it's own to fit neatly into, so sites place it in anime because they have no other films/series to junction it off with.

    You seen Basilisk yet? Or the teaser for the Ultimate Hellsing OVA? Delicious.

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  88. Hmm, why haven't I noticed this earlier. Necro post! Just in case you're still aroumd, bringing up that website was the entire point here. It's a Japanese website. The Japanese define anime as animation, that's all. Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children is animation regardless of whether from a western point of view it's 'anime' (as in 'Japanese animation). It fits into the genre of animation because it's animated. Computer generated visuals are still classed as animation. Yes, it's different, yes it's fancy, but it's still animation.

    So while you may not consider it 'anime' - I do because it's Japanese and it's animation, hence Japanese animation.

    So we agree it's animation, we differ on the definition of what 'anime' is. Even aside from the basic point of 'animation' - AC is done in anime style, it's heavily stylised, it has common anime voice actors and the lip synch is not perfect. It bears the hallmark of Japanese animation and a video game all in one, a weird crazy thing.

    Yes, I have seen the teaser for Ultimate Hellsing, I'm wondering why there's an excessive amount of CG in it, and why the animation studio is different.

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  89. For starters, let me just say that it sounds like Rahul just has a personal vendetta against FFVII, all I can see is just pure hatred in whatever was commented by you in this instance. The fact is that it IS within Square Enix's Financial interest to produce this remake in consideration with what Jenova had commented "The outpouring of fan support since the release of the tech demo has been more tremendous than Square could have possibly anticipated." is more than noticibly true. Now reading these posts it's failed to mention also the connections with WHY a remake of Final Fantasy VII will take place. My first eye catcher was the connection with the movie and the technical demo, they both produce the same CGI characters. Now while you may think this is irrelivant, it is relivant, why would they create a "TECH DEMO" enunciating the characters from Advent Children? if it's only a demo, that work didn't need to be done, they could have just prettied it up. Secondly, Why is all of this compilation work being done to a title that was in even the creators minds, "A Masterpiece", USUALLY, major dev's don't do anything with it afterwards because eventually they kill off what was once known as a masterpiece unless they are building toward a climax. That climax is the Remake. It's been speculated heavily since the release of the console Playstation 2. It was the first game mentioned and never to be the last until Square Enix officially announce this title to be in production. Thirdly, Let's take a look back at last year almost around this time (may-june), The tech demo was released, now Square Enix's full intension was to announce this game not in development and litterally piss off the millions of FFVII fans to the tee. WHY?! you're a corporation that depends on it's fans, why couldn't Square Enix have developed a Technical Demo of say Final Fantasy VIII or IX? they were both made on the same platform with poor graphics, with less of a fan base to take the piss out of. There are a few more reasons why, but i'll just go into conclusion with the more important ones, the Director and Producer of FFVII would love to remake the game themselves, they both said so in numerous interviews. The Playstation 3 Platform launches in November, IF this game has been in development it's been in development since before 2005 June.. note the Tech Demo. It's a fact it won't take 5 years to produce a remake as it took 5 years to make the game from scratch, you already have your blueprint SE.. stop with the excuses. All the voice actors doing the characters do the same voices for numerous Titles, IE Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, Kingdom Hearts 2, and all of this just happened recently, SE you sure don't want to screw this compilation up do you?!?!. Lastly, Square Enix released a list of titles they are producing for this year and next last week, about April 26th, duely noted however was any PS3 titles, and SE mentioned on this list,.. that it was only "Partial" and the rest was to come at E3. I think all of us that have been under a rock the past year need to come out from underneath, it's not a relization, it's an eye opener.

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  90. Paragraphs, they sure are awesome. Use them.

    A Final Fantasy VII remake is not needed, we can still play it, whether it be the PlayStation or PC format. (Although the PC format does require patches since Eidos suck and refuse to support past Windows ME.)

    They can bring it out if they want, but I'd be rather sceptical of its quality.

    Also, what's with this necropost?

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  91. alot of speculation toward it not happening and alot of rumors about pure bullshit, fact is SE won't confirm, but won't deny it's being made.. necropost, if the discussion of a FFVII Remake would ever die down, it would then be necro.. but i think it's quite relivant.

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  92. We have forums for discussion. It's a necropost because you posted almost 6 months after this article was finished with.

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  93. Dear god! Reading this thread has been like watching a burning monkey drink gasoline. Excrutiatingly painful to watch yet impossible to look away. Sooo...I felt compelled to submit my "opinion" and perhaps take a beating from all those who care to retort, ie, semantics police, who I know are out there. Oh well.
    Most of you who have commented on either side of the all too well defined line of whether or not the game should be made, (before the thread spiralled into a sad and trifle tangeant on various mediums of art and their proper definitions....everything is relative guys, even truth), have made some really good points. Money is probably the biggest issue on whether or not the game is made. Maybe not.
    We can fantasize all day that maybe Yoshinori Kitase is having or has had some Lucasian type desire to see his masterpiece reworked with the technology available now that wasnt available then. If you will allow that speculation as a valid point to be made in the motivation of the re-release of FFVII, then with the power and influence available to him, I'm sure a remake isn't completely unrealistic. Earnings? Come on. Even if the earnings are less than VII's original release, (which I doubt they would be) you have to consider the man power and technology used to create a new VII is going to cost a little more and the profit ratio is going to have to be calculated differently. Because our economy is a dynamic entity, you can't just reason that because game a earned x amount in one year verses games b earning of >a in another year makes the one more of a success than the other. Sigh enough of that. Economics expert I am not. I think it's safe to say they would make enough to make the project worth while. The biggest risk I think they have in tackling the chore is satisfying their fan base.
    Half of the people can be part right all of the time, Some of the people can be all right part of the time. But all the people can't be all right all the time
    I think Abraham Lincoln said that.
    "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours,"
    I said that." -Bob Dylan
    This thread is proof enough that even if they did re-make the game, there are those out there that would naysay it just for spite. I mean come on guys, whats with the ego's of wanting to prove this "I, ME, MINE" mentality. We're getting nowhere with it and in the mean time we're missing the point that Final Fantasy VII touched all of our lives at some time or another. If that wasn't true, this thread would have ended a long time ago. It is a big deal. Speculation that a FFVII could be made gets us all a little worked up. Some say don't touch it, it's a masterpiece. Others say bring it on, I cant get enough. Both of you have valid points. The fact of the matter is, if Squenix did release a remake, I dare any of you to say you wouldn't but it, play it, pirate it, or watch someone else play it because you know you can't. The curiosity would be too damn great. If they made it and it sucked balls, then they would never hear the end of it and it would take a long time to recover from mistake like that. Hence the long time "neither confirm nor deny" crap we've been hearing for years. It's a big deal and they don't want to screw it up. Of course they consider it. I'd go as far to say it's in the works but that's my opinion. Just look at all the buzz online. People never get tired of speculating.
    Sorry this was a bit longer than I had intended. I just want to say, if it came out, I'd be the first person in my town to get it and I'd love it even if it was different or altered or a carbon copy with better graphics and sound. Why? Because I'm a gamer. It's what I do. The characters are fantastic (Cait Sith Sux balls but every good story needs a character we can hate) and the story line is flawless albeit a bit ambiguous at the end.

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  94. What the hell are you guys writing for? its not an essay compitition you know.

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  95. Yeah ok....I got carried away. I couldnt help it though. After reading that whole thing I guess I had a lot to say. I officially digress. Except I want to say, I wish the hell they would remake it. I need something to get me off World of Warcrack and if anything could do it a new VII could.

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  96. How about going outside or visiting a bitchin' museum? Places like the MoMA and the Met are infinitely more interesting than BWL. gtherez mor 2 life thnaj ust vidoe gayemz lol. But that is just my opinion.

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  97. im old term. not with the short entials and you've screwed up some of the words.

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  98. Do you come with a translator?

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  99. hopfully this is how you spell but: unfortunly no!

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  100. What about a mute button?

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  101. This is what it sounds like when a blog falls apart.
    BTW I would have replied earlier but I've been at the met all weekend.

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  102. HEY! your the one with the baby pic, quale!

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  103. You guys are aware of instant messaging programs aren't you?

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  104. your point is? Besides its quite funny this way, since you have to wait some time till you get a reply from someone.

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  105. The perhaps you might like to try a forum board rather than news comments.

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  106. Nah its ok

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